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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 5, 2008 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPz3YWXIbI&;feature=related

Re Bush, and not to forgive folks, but there was a strong sense that his first term was illegitimate due to Florida and the whole debacle around the same (and this country really does need to get its act together re voting in elections ). However, when 9/11 came and he gave his speech at the site of the towers and at the National Cathredal in DC I think most gave him the benefit of the doubt and really wanted him to suceeed (I know I did). I don't think anyone truly ever wants to see the President fail - outside of real partisan politicians. However, what was asked of us as a nation after 9/11, when Bush had a chance to unite not only us, but the international community supporting us? Keep shopping and don't give up your SUV. There was no sense we as a nation were in this together that I ever perceived coming from his administration and the rush to war with a country that appeared to have nothing directly to do with 9/11 but did play out the scenarios created by folks such as Wolfowitz and Cheney years before 9/11 did not help foster support or legitimacy. Then we see the incredible war profiteering, the actions of the Justice Dept., war torture memo and actions at Abu Gharib and Guatanamo, the Plame affair, the efforts to belittle the military service of Kerry (who I'm no fan of) by a rich boy draft dodger, Cheney and Rove's contempt for Congress and the rule of law, etc (the list goes on and on and on), it makes it hard to give W much benefit of the doubt -especially when there has been a systemic lack of competence under his administration. Surely not every incident is his fault, but these things happened on his watch and we always lay blame where the buck stops. Wasn't yesterday more of a national referendum on George than it was an endorsement of Obama?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2008 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

...not my point. It takes little political expertise, especially in retrospect to be critical of any administration, and the tearing down of George Bush is no exception. Much of it he is deserving of. The point is that constant and unrelenting criticism has become to many their only platform. Nothing from Mr. Grendel but venom, not one iota of positive reinforcement, or even reference to the ideologies that might serve us better. Rather, blaming our (his) apparent predicament time and time again on what is now, the past.

So now, we're in essentially a leaderless vacuum for the next couple of months. What, dear haters of Bush, are your political plans that will turn around the mess that we're in? Blame game over, ball's in your court.

Please give me an answer. You know, like "by putting a windfall tax on oil, we can__________." Or here's an easy one, it was part of the campaign; "by taxing the top 5% of the wealthiest Americans we will be able to___________."

Come on, folks have been absolutely stunning at critical analysis of the system, how 'bout some positive vibes here.